Episode Transcript
Don Mock 0:20
All right, episode 72. We’re back and we’re back with my favorite person.
Zoe Mock 0:24
Favorite person?
Don Mock 0:25
Zoe Mock.
Zoe Mock 0:26
That’s such a big compliment.
Don Mock 0:27
I know, isn’t that exciting? I love hanging out. Super fun. Super fun.
Zoe Mock 0:30
Dare I say, favorite child?
Don Mock 0:32
Dare I… nooo.
Zoe Mock 0:33
No.
Don Mock 0:34
No, no, I love everyone.
Zoe Mock 0:36
If I say curse words on the podcast, then one of them won’t hear it. So it’s fine.
Don Mock 0:39
It’ll get the E.
Zoe Mock 0:40
So then I’m only. It’s only down one. Sorry we’re back. Hello.
Don Mock 0:43
Alright, so it is at the end of the day and we are dressed in our United gear, ready to go watch the game. We’re chit chatting. and we said, hey, let’s record-
Zoe Mock 0:51
Jump on a pod.
Don Mock 0:52
Yeah, why not? Super fun. 15-20 minutes. So tell me the story. You’re watching a movie last night.
Zoe Mock 0:58
All right. I’ll show my age which is completely fine, because I’m a young person.
Don Mock 1:01
That’s fine.
Zoe Mock 1:02
But I’m watching Zoolander with Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson. My favorite Cars character.
Don Mock 1:09
Do you remember the story behind Cars, by the way? There’s a quick sidenote.
Zoe Mock 1:13
The sidenote story behind Cars is that the Other Man on this podcast took me to it when I was a whopping 2 years old.
Don Mock 1:19
Were you 2? Were you that young?
Zoe Mock 1:20
I was 2.
Don Mock 1:21
Was it the first movie he took you to.
Zoe Mock 1:22
The first movie came out in 2005. We went. I don’t really even remember this because I wasn’t conscious yet, but I had a full blown freak attack at how loud the movie was for Cars.
Don Mock 1:34
Well, let me tell the story from a grownup perspective.
Zoe Mock 1:39
Sigh.
Don Mock 1:40
Loud sigh, this is embarrassing already. You hadn’t been to a movie. 10 o’clock am.
Zoe Mock 1:45
Sunday morning.
Don Mock 1:45
Yeah, not a lot of people in there. There’s like 10 of us in there. I believe in it was the trailers. The trailers were crazy loud. And all the trailers were spooky for you.
Zoe Mock 1:54
Oh, I didn’t know that.
Don Mock 1:55
Yeah, there was one called like Monster House about a house that ate children. There was the ant bully of this kid that was like smushing ants.
Zoe Mock 2:03
Yeah, I have seen that movie actually.
Don Mock 2:05
Right. So there were two or three freaky-deaky previews. And I was like, Hey, it’s Okay. It’s Okay. It’s gonna be fine. Like close your eyes or whatever. You’re on edge. Then the beginning of Cars starts in the dark. It’s Lightning McQueen in the back of the trailer.
Zoe Mock 2:18
I am speed.
Don Mock 2:19
And the rumbling of the thing and you just see the eyes.
Zoe Mock 2:23
Additional side note, I also have never been good with motorcycles. So the loud car sounds spark something.
Don Mock 2:30
Did you side note the side note?
Zoe Mock 2:32
Yeah, it’s a double side note.
Don Mock 2:33
Double side.
Zoe Mock 2:33
It’s a universe inside a universe.
Don Mock 2:35
So we got the eyes blinking in the dark. All of the loud rumbling of the cars. Zum zum going by and all that good stuff. And it was a full evac.
Zoe Mock 2:43
Nope.
Don Mock 2:44
Full evac.
Zoe Mock 2:44
Yep. Get me out of here.
Don Mock 2:45
To the point where I’m not even going to try to ask for a refund here. I mean, this was not the movie to go see. All right. So-
Zoe Mock 2:51
Anyhoo. Owen-
Don Mock 2:51
Fast forward to many years later. You’re comfortable watching movies now?
Zoe Mock 2:54
Yeah.
Don Mock 2:55
Yeah. Movies are not scary anymore.
Zoe Mock 2:58
They were for a long time. I’m not going to lie to you.
Don Mock 2:59
Okay. Well, hey, some movies are still scary. They’re called horror movies.
Zoe Mock 3:02
No, I can’t do horror at all. All of my friends know. No. Nothing. No, no jump scares.
Don Mock 3:07
I’m kind of with you oon that one.
Zoe Mock 3:08
We’re coming out of the side note, but Owen Wilson and Ben Stiller are in Zoolander.
Don Mock 3:12
Yes.
Zoe Mock 3:13
I’ve been hearing for a while about how great this movie is, how funny it is, how I need to watch it. I’m like okay.
Don Mock 3:18
The gas scene. When they fill up the jeep with gas. That’s the funniest part of the whole movie.
Zoe Mock 3:24
Yeah, they’re all-
Don Mock 3:24
-frolicking in the-
Zoe Mock 3:25
Yeah but it doesn’t hold up as well as I thought it would, given all of the praise it’s received. I know it’s been 20 years, but I don’t think-
Don Mock 3:35
There’s no way it’s been 20 years.
Zoe Mock 3:36
It’s been 20 years because there’s an article about how it doesn’t hold up 20 years ago. I thought I was crazy for thinking it hadn’t held up.
Don Mock 3:41
I’m getting old.
Zoe Mock 3:42
Come to find out, a lot of other people agree on the internet.
Don Mock 3:45
That it hasn’t held up well?
Zoe Mock 3:46
That is has not held up well, because there’s a few instances of blackface from Ben Stiller.
Don Mock 3:52
Okay. Wow, okay.
Zoe Mock 3:53
Just some-
Don Mock 3:55
Not savory things-
Zoe Mock 3:56
Salacious things done by people in higher positions in the movie. So I think, for as much praise it’s received, I was kind of like, I don’t need to finish this movie. It’s not really doing it for me.
Don Mock 4:06
Well, anything pop culture related with topical jokes at the time, potentially might not age properly.
Zoe Mock 4:13
Yeah. But I would argue that blackface wasn’t okay 20 years ago.
Don Mock 4:17
Well, I don’t disagree with that. I don’t disagree with that. But it brings us to today’s topic, now that we’re literally-
Zoe Mock 4:25
I barged in your office and said we’re going to talk about this.
Don Mock 4:27
Yeah. And your idea was “things that don’t last the test of time.” Brands or things that don’t basically make it through time or don’t age well or, conversely-
Zoe Mock 4:39
Things that do.
Don Mock 4:40
Brands that do age well.
Zoe Mock 4:41
Legacy brands that have adapted and changed.
Don Mock 4:43
I like to think more on the positive side of life.
Zoe Mock 4:45
You’re a glass half full person.
Don Mock 4:47
I am now. I don’t know that… I didn’t really prepare or think about any brands that have wasted away because they’ve wasted away.
Zoe Mock 4:56
Yeah.
Don Mock 4:58
I wrote a couple- you’re given me the business here, but I wrote a couple notes, a couple of thoughts down of immediate brands that I thought of.
Zoe Mock 5:03
Positive ones.
Don Mock 5:04
Yeah. With zero research. Do you have any thoughts on brands that you’re familiar with? Because you just said again, you’re not as old as I am. You’re younger.
Zoe Mock 5:13
I am younger.
Don Mock 5:14
Your sense of time-
Zoe Mock 5:16
I have not withstood the test of time yet.
Don Mock 5:18
Yeah it’s like trying to teach a four-year-old the concept of time, the space time continuum.
Zoe Mock 5:23
Or how chickens that run around outside are the chickens on your plate.
Don Mock 5:26
Yeah, farm animals. The cow goes moo.
Zoe Mock 5:30
The cow is also-
Don Mock 5:31
What’s this burger made of? Yeah, exactly.
Zoe Mock 5:35
I would say initially, off the bat, as weird as this is, I would say m&ms.
Don Mock 5:39
M&ms, the candy.
Zoe Mock 5:40
Because m&ms came out of World War II, because the candy coating could get hot and it wouldn’t melt in your hand at the time.
Don Mock 5:47
Wow, listen to you. Check out the big brain on Brad. All right, there’s a movie reference.
Zoe Mock 5:53
That’s why they were British candy, and then Mars- whoever owned Mars at the time or whoever it was, I’m not a history Nerd. I am a little bit- were like we need to copy this for to put in people’s whatever those ration things are called-
Don Mock 6:09
MREs or mealboxes or whatever they were eating.
Zoe Mock 6:11
Whatever they were eating. I think now there’s such a big American brand, big American candy. I guess interesting that initially-
Don Mock 6:21
That’s a good one. It’s funny, we just recorded a podcast on candies, as well. Our favorite candies and things like that. And the old trapped on a desert island, what kind of candy. It’s interesting we came up with candy. We did- I don’t remember what episode it was- but we did do an episode on timeless design, I feel like, previously. So I will harken back to-
Zoe Mock 6:40
It was a great episode.
Don Mock 6:43
Yeah, that was a favorite. That timeless design, I immediately go to Vignali and the design principles of timeless design. Not getting caught up in a fad. So literally, the first thing I wrote down is American Airlines. Now, American Airlines did crap all over that and did end up rebranding. I think the rebrand is terrible. That’s just the side note or whatever.
Zoe Mock 7:04
It’s because we feed them pancakes.
Don Mock 7:06
But anything that can last 60 years and still be relevant and have such high prominence.
Zoe Mock 7:11
Brand wise.
Don Mock 7:12
American Airlines did a great job. Shifting gears, so that’s just kind of an acknowledgement to Mossimo and our love for his studio.
Zoe Mock 7:19
We can’t do a podcast without talking about him.
Don Mock 7:21
There’s a quota. Every 10 episodes, we got to drop a Vignelli reference, at least. The second one-
Zoe Mock 7:28
I would say, he’s a big part of you and mom’s life and everything. I think our household has a lot of respect for him, love for him.
Don Mock 7:33
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I think this is kind of an oddball, but I think that a brand that has lasted and is still relevant. We’re talking about relevancy, or brands that have aged well. It’s kind of an oddball, but I’m gonna throw out the New York Times.
Zoe Mock 7:49
Okay.
Don Mock 7:49
And the reason why I put that out is, you listen to the daily.
Zoe Mock 7:52
Yes, I do. They’ve evolved.
Don Mock 7:53
Right. That didn’t exist, when the times first-
Zoe Mock 7:56
Podcast culture.
Don Mock 7:56
It’s been around forever. If you think about it, graphically, it’s the old-school Gothic type, script type. Yet, we’re- surprise! we’re living in a digital age here. So-
Zoe Mock 8:08
We’ve modernized, yeah.
Don Mock 8:09
As we’re talking on a pod. So the New York Times I think, is an interesting idea of a legacy brand that has withstood the test of time. Now, what’s interesting is that what they produce can’t be manufactured. They don’t make a good. I mean, they do make a paper, I guess, right?
Zoe Mock 8:26
They produce a product.
Don Mock 8:27
They produce a product.
Zoe Mock 8:27
The product is build on everything else in the world.
Don Mock 8:30
News, opinion, editorial, all that kind of stuff.
Zoe Mock 8:33
I would counter that with the New York Times as the good example. The current bad example, I would say, is the Washington Post.
Don Mock 8:41
Oh, interesting.
Zoe Mock 8:41
Right now.
Don Mock 8:42
Because they have changed so much over the year?
Zoe Mock 8:43
They’ve changed so much. They’ve been bought by billionaires who will go unnamed on the podcast.
Don Mock 8:48
But everybody knows.
Zoe Mock 8:49
Yeah. And their whole democracy dies in darkness. The joke I’ve been making for the last few years is that well, democracy did die in darkness, because you know, who bought it. Took it down. That’s a very cynical point of view.
Don Mock 9:03
Fingers crossed, we’re not dead yet.
Zoe Mock 9:04
And we’re a glass half full people here. But I would say, my point on that is that the New York Times has also fought out a lot of being bought out, a lot of whatever. They still at least seemed very original and very together.
Don Mock 9:17
The newspaper business is a tough business and a lot of startup internet commercialization based on ad revenue. If like, 99% of your revenue is based on advertising. That’s tough, you know? So that’s an interesting-
Zoe Mock 9:37
Said the advertizer.
Don Mock 9:38
Well, that’s what I was about to say. Says the guy who does ads for a living. It’s an interesting model, and then just the fact of that, all of a sudden, that halfway through giving away the farm, you decide, wait a minute. We’re going to do paywalls. And then the consumer opinion on a whim. Paywalls! And now we’re at this weird inflection point where the truth costs money but lies are free. Which is very dangerous, to your point. But hopefully the pendulum will swing back to some sense of understanding of truth and normalcy. But in the meanwhile-
Zoe Mock 10:15
As it evolves further, everything else will-
Don Mock 10:19
In the meantime, we can talk about this uplifting podcast we’re on. Alright, so anyway, so American Airlines, New York Times, I think is interesting for a lot of different things. I’m gonna shift gears real quick and feel free to jump in with any ideas that you come up with.
Zoe Mock 10:32
I don’t have any. I came up with the idea off of Zoolander and then I’m rocking with the rest of it.
Don Mock 10:36
I’m going to say because I’m wearing them… Levi’s. Levi’s is a great-
Zoe Mock 10:41
From the 1850’s.
Don Mock 10:42
Yeah, brand that it was… the denim, it’s a workin’ sort of workwear.
Zoe Mock 10:47
Gold miner person.
Don Mock 10:48
Certainly not formal wear of the time. It’s a hard workin’-
Zoe Mock 10:54
It gets washed once every five years.
Don Mock 10:57
Sure. But I think that they have… fashion is such a seasonal thing, right.
Zoe Mock 11:04
A destructive art.
Don Mock 11:06
Yeah. and it is designed with an expiration date in mind. Whatever fads are, but yet Levi’s. Now, Levi’s, as a brand, obviously has followed fashion. We have different cuts, we have different trims, we have different colors, we’ve got acid wash, we’ve got stonewash, we’ve got darks. All sorts of different things.
Zoe Mock 11:24
And they follow the trend, but they’re also the ones creating the trend-
Don Mock 11:27
Correct.
Zoe Mock 11:27
to bring back the different cuts and trends and blah blah blah.
Don Mock 11:31
Correct. That’s a great brand. I mean, it’s a great brand, and there’s a great old advertising lore story about, I believe it was TBWA ChIAT Day, back in the day when they were-
Zoe Mock 11:41
I don’t know what those words mean.
Don Mock 11:42
It’s an old, it’s an agency. When Levi’s put their business up for… when they put their business out- RFP, the RFPed, their business. And a bunch of different agencies made the cut-
Zoe Mock 11:52
Explain what an RFP is forb our listeners.
Don Mock 11:54
Request For Proposals. They put their business out for bid.
Zoe Mock 11:57
They said “people apply to advertise us.”
Don Mock 11:59
Well, it wasn’t an open casting, but there were specific exclusive agencies-
Zoe Mock 12:05
Select amount of people.
Don Mock 12:07
- that were invited to pitch the business. As the legend goes, Lee Clow, I believe, was the creative director at the time. Famous creative director, did a fantastic portfolio of work.
Zoe Mock 12:19
Shoutout to him.
Don Mock 12:20
But the legend goes that they won the business because they were the only agency to all wear Levi’s to the pitch meeting.
Zoe Mock 12:28
Okay. Yeah, I’ve had a few friends do that. This is completely unrelated. All show up in the same perfect uniform together for presentations or awards or projects, and they win. You’re kinda like, well, did they win because they’re great, or they were all put together? Or is it the combination of both? That’s a very good point.
Don Mock 12:45
Unified front.
Zoe Mock 12:46
Exactly.
Don Mock 12:47
Yeah. Well, if Nike is coming into the building, don’t-
Zoe Mock 12:51
Don’t wear Adidas.
Don Mock 12:52
Yeah, Don’t walk around with Pumas and Adidas. You know what I mean? Put your Nikes on, everybody. So alright, so Levi’s I thought is cool. Here’s one that I think you might agree with. If we’re talking about, again, brands that have withstood the test of time. Something you’re intimately familiar with. Lego?
Zoe Mock 13:11
Oh!
Don Mock 13:12
That’s a good one.
Zoe Mock 13:13
Lego it was a great one. It’s fantastic.
Don Mock 13:15
It’s got a great story. They have definitely evolved. I mean, Lego now is all about licensing.
Zoe Mock 13:21
Yeah, but they-
Don Mock 13:23
But they have the different lines. They have the Friends, we’ve got every movie property. We’ve got every toy property. We have got the exclusive architecture line. I know that you’ve got the plant line or something’s going on- little succulents you can make orchids.
Zoe Mock 13:38
They’ve evolved towards carbon neutrality too, as kind of everyone is right now, but we will be reusing the plastic bricks constantly.
Don Mock 13:47
Thheir entire business is selling little plastic.
Zoe Mock 13:50
Shapes.
Don Mock 13:51
- that come in a plastic bags. So there’s definitely, as we hopefully start to shift maybe a little bit away from plastics, as a I don’t wanna say “consumable” people, but as a throwaway object. Yeah, if we can reuse the Lego, I’ve also read or maybe it was on that show Lego masters…
Zoe Mock 14:12
We love Lego.
Don Mock 14:13
The plural of Lego is Lego. Lego is like, you never say Legos. It’s only just Lego.
Zoe Mock 14:20
I have heard, yes.
Don Mock 14:21
Yeah. Which is interesting. Way to go brand standards.
Zoe Mock 14:25
They do withstand the test of time. I was very big into Legos as a small child, kind of drifted out of it. In college and around adult people, Legos are a fantastic gift.
Don Mock 14:34
Yeah. You just said Legos.
Zoe Mock 14:36
Oh, excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me.
Don Mock 14:38
I’m brand police. Lego is a fantastic gift.
Zoe Mock 14:42
Like like like, ummm. This is a side note, that he hates when people say um, and like.
Don Mock 14:47
Who?
Zoe Mock 14:47
You.
Don Mock 14:48
I do?
Zoe Mock 14:48
The same with Legos. So we’ll add Legos to the list.
Don Mock 14:50
I say umm and like.
Zoe Mock 14:51
Lego Lego. But yeah, they’re fantastic. I
Don Mock 14:56
It’s a great brand.
Zoe Mock 14:56
I feel comfortable giving you a Lego gift.
Don Mock 14:58
Well, it’s a fun brand. I don’t know that there’s ever been a controversy surrounding Lego. I don’t think they’ve really ever made a bad step. You know, here and there. I don’t know my whole Lego history.
Zoe Mock 15:11
They are spread so wide, they appeal to each type of consumer.
Don Mock 15:16
Yeah, global brand. There’s something that is just so satisfying about sitting down and click, click, click, click, click putting together a little Lego model. It’s pretty cool. So I’m into it. And shout out to the show. I do like the show Lego Masters. That’s fun. A little too much Will Arnett.He’s coming on a little strong.
Zoe Mock 15:34
I was about to say he’s the best part.
Don Mock 15:36
Well, he’s funny. He’s funny. Brick masters, Jamie and Amy, coming in strong. I think that’s a fun brand. That’s a fun brand. All right.
Zoe Mock 15:46
I think it’s a good, the description of the enjoyment is the journey, not where you end. Because I mean, once you’re done with it, what do you do? Goes on a shelf, you don’t touch it.
Don Mock 15:54
Well, I will say, here’s what’s interesting, though, because of the licensing aspect and the specialization of Lego now, when you build the Batmobile, or you build the X Wing fighter you don’t take it apart. You leave it as it is and you play with it as is. All of the LEGO sets when I was a kid… initially, well, let me let me walk that back. At least half the sets- because they did have the space station and they had certain specialized things- but almost every Lego set was “here’s a box of bricks” and they were all like triple changers. It was, you can make a plane, a train, or a thing.
Zoe Mock 16:26
They still have that.
Don Mock 16:27
No, I know that still exists. But most of the LEGO sets in the 80s were meant to be built as one thing, taken apart, and built as something else. I mean, you were constantly reshuffling the series.
Zoe Mock 16:40
It’s evolved into, you get the dinosaur set, and it’s either the T-Rex, the Triceratops, or I don’t know other dinosaurs.
Don Mock 16:46
Well, the pieces are better these days, too. They’re sculpted in certain ways and back in the day, it was just, you got a one-by-two or one-by-three or one- that there was no curved pieces or anything. It was a lot of rectangular builds.
Zoe Mock 17:00
You’re showing your age.
Don Mock 17:00
Dare I say?
Zoe Mock 17:01
You did say.
Don Mock 17:02
All right. Are you ready for the last one?
Zoe Mock 17:04
Go for it.
Don Mock 17:06
Unless… Hey, feel free to jump in. I know you’ve been jumping in and talking all over me. So feel free to jump in if any brands-
Zoe Mock 17:12
I don’t want to be negative. I don’t want to bring anything negative to the table. I’m just gonna tear down your ideas.
Don Mock 17:16
Well, that’s what we do here. We come up with good ideas-
Zoe Mock 17:20
The child of a creative director should do nothing less.
Don Mock 17:22
Yeah, seriously. All right. So we’ve got some serious stuff with New York Times. Some fun stuff with Lego blocks, a trusty dusty in Levi’s. Which I think is great. So I’m gonna throw a last oddball out here for you that I don’t think anyone would expect.
Zoe Mock 17:39
Okay. I expect it.
Don Mock 17:41
Good, bad or indifferent- how anybody feels about it, but I’m gonna say McDonald’s.
Zoe Mock 17:46
Mmmmm.
Don Mock 17:46
McDonald’s. How many years, when’d they start? 40s, 50s?
Zoe Mock 17:50
40s, 50s.
Don Mock 17:51
Yeah, you know Ray Kroc, the whole deal. They have definitely evolved and they are seasonal and they are a fashion fad and things like that. We’ve got our buttta-bup-bup-bum. All that. Global brand all over the place.
Zoe Mock 18:08
Tailors to each each part of the world with their menu.
Don Mock 18:12
Absolutely. So quick sidenote, have you seen Pulp Fiction yet? There’s a great McDonald’s aspect to it, where they have McDonald’s in France and Le Royale with cheese, Anyway, do yourself a favor and watch Quentin Tarantino’s masterpiece Pulp Fiction. It’s a great movie and then come back on the pod and let me know if it holds up or not.
Zoe Mock 18:33
Withstood the test of time?
Don Mock 18:34
Yeah, exactly. So McDonald’s, I think it is what it is. I hate that expression. But it’s consistent. You know what it is, you always eat it on a road trip.
Zoe Mock 18:45
People coming out of food poisoning or stomach related issues, there is a general recommendation to eat McDonald’s.
Don Mock 18:51
What?!
Zoe Mock 18:51
Because the food grade safety is so across the board and level and perfect, that you have exactly what you’re gonna get. The potatoes will never be messed up.
Don Mock 18:59
I don’t know how I feel about this. I don’t know that, if you’re coming out of intestinal fortitude issues, you should run to McDonald’s for nourishment.
Zoe Mock 19:06
I have been told that.
Don Mock 19:07
Wow. Okay.
Zoe Mock 19:08
If you need bland consistency. The Big Mac in Midtown is the same as the one in Buckhead. I
Don Mock 19:15
yYeah, it is, as it is in Oklahoma City, per se.
Zoe Mock 19:18
Exactly.
Don Mock 19:20
There is a consistency to it, which I think is actually part of what ties into brands that can withstand the test of time. Is there a consistent nature to it? Now, with that being said, they also do reinvent themselves constantly. We mentioned on a previous pod about how the MC salad shaker thing was a miserable failure. You don’t go to McDonald’s for health or for salad. But constantly trying new things, constantly reevaluating.
Zoe Mock 19:45
The saweetie meal was a great meal. I did try that once.
Don Mock 19:47
Well, you’re clearly more up on your Micky Ds than I am.
Zoe Mock 19:51
Micky Ds term lines. Well, now I think they really perfectly figured out who their target audience is, per meal.
Don Mock 20:01
Okay.
Zoe Mock 20:01
And then have branched out and partnered with different creators and artists based on that. Which is why I think those different sideline trend meals are successful.
Don Mock 20:12
It’s an interesting brand. I mean, again, maybe put aside the thoughts on if you like the food or not, or whatever the deal. But it’s an interesting brand that’s been around forever, that’s still absolutely as relevant today as it was yesterday. I don’t really see that changing. Same with Levi’s. I mean, Levi’s is nice and consistent. The times, you know, I don’t know. We’ll see what happens to newspapers.
Zoe Mock 20:35
I like all of your examples.
Don Mock 20:36
Lego, I think is a good one. That’s, well, I appreciate that. Thank you for that compliment.
Zoe Mock 20:40
It’s a rare one. I’m glad it’s on a podcast so it’s recorded.
Don Mock 20:47
Zoe, coming in hot.
Zoe Mock 20:47
You can play it back and listen to it later.
Don Mock 20:49
Exactly. As I do with all of the podcasts. I listen to them on loop in the office.
Zoe Mock 20:55
Just to hear your voice constantly.
Don Mock 20:57
Well, this is fun. This has been super fun. Go United. Hopefully we got a big dub tonight.
Zoe Mock 21:01
Hopefully.
Don Mock 21:02
But no one listening to this will know.
Zoe Mock 21:04
Yeah, exactly. They don’t know which game either.
Don Mock 21:06
Exactly. Which is exciting. All right. well, thanks for stopping by. Where can the people find us, Zoe?
Zoe Mock 21:11
You can find us… well, us as in Mock, the Agency, on the interwebs at mocktheagency.com and on all social media platforms @mocktheagency.
Don Mock 21:21
All right. Thanks, everybody. We’ll talk to you next time.
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